Monday, August 16, 2004

Political: Caught in a lie.

Whoops, caught in a lie that you've told dozens of times over the past three decades? No problem, just change your story. The story that was "seared" into your brain. You were just uncertain and mistaken about it. You're still a trustworthy guy who is qualified to lead the most powerful country in the modern world. You should be elected. You did win 3 purple hearts, after all.


Blogger oyster said...

I support Kerry's one point plan whether or not his Holiday in Cambodia was in December or February.

Also, "win" three purple hearts? "Win"? It's an honor, not a door prize.

9:58 AM, August 17, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

That's your prerogative. On the purple heart medals however, you seem to have missed the point. Watch the video at the link. I quoted directly from it. It's called humor.

12:24 PM, August 17, 2004  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So where was he on XMas of that year? I mean, if he was still somewhere in the jungles of Asia, what does it matter if it's Cambodia, Vietnam, or wherever. His point was about the moment he had a supposed "revelation" of how much he is against unnecessary wars. Unless he was hanging out with the boys at home in the US, I don't think it's necessarily a lie. If he was still in some creepy jungle, that's close enough for me. I think the article is just playing on the little details and putting a HUGE spin on it. So he mistakenly said Cambodia. Who cares. He was thousands of miles away from his friends and family in a war that can kill him and his army buddies at any moment. Give him a break.

Now it might sound like I'm super Pro-Kerry and that I'm incredibly defensive about the guy, but it couldn't be further from the truth. I don't think I'll even be voting for him this election. Not to say I'm Pro-Bush either.

In any case, I didn't want to sign up for Blogger, so I had to be Anonymous. But I think it's rude to comment on an entry without at least introducing myself. So here it is. "Hello. I'm Jenn and I really enjoyed your blog." :-)

Have a great day.

1:42 AM, August 18, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

Hello Jenn. Thanks for reading, and thanks for your comment. I (obviously) disagree on the relevance of John Kerry's lies regarding Cambodia. First off, his statements on the matter show that his revelation wasn't just that he was against unnecessary wars. Here's a direct quote:

"On Christmas Eve of 1968, I was on a gunboat in a firefight that wasn't supposed to be taking place," Kerry recalled. "I thought, if I'm killed here, what will my family be told?"He also said:

"I remember spending Christmas Eve of 1968 five miles across the Cambodian border being shot at by our South Vietnamese allies who were drunk and celebrating Christmas. The absurdity of almost killed by our own allies in a country in which President Nixon claimed there were no American troops was very real."To me it sounds like his point is that we shouldn't lie about how we conduct wars. He was worried about the USA being honest about its actions, and he used this made-up story to show how we weren't being honest.

Regardless of his point, to me it is definitely a major issue that he spent so many years repeating this outright lie about his experience. He wasn't just "mistaken." He made up an experience because it was expedient to him at the time. He knew it wasn't true, but he repeated it again and again. That is a lie. What else is he willing to lie about? How do I know when to believe him?

8:00 AM, August 18, 2004  
Blogger ninjanun said...

The term "decades old lie" means the last time he told it was over a decade ago, not that he has been repeating it incessantly since then. Yes, he has been harping on his military awards, which the Swift Vets still cannot validate that he didn't deserve. This is about the only real dirt that Republicans have on Kerry, and for me, it's really quite a stretch. I don't need The Onion and a Woody Guthrie parody to make myself feel better about the candidate I'm voting for. After all, I don't want to vote on my emotions; I did that in the last election.

9:02 AM, August 19, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

He has been repeating it incessantly since then. In fact, he has told some version (it has changed a few times) of his "Christmas in Cambodia" story as recently as June 2003. And, you're right. The 250 swift boat veterans could all be lying, and Kerry telling the truth. It's possible.

I won't be voting on emotion either. If you notice in a post above, I explicitly tell people not to. I don't base my vote on the "dirt" on the candidates. The Onion and JibJab don't make me "feel better" about who I'm voting for. It's called humor, jeez. Although, The Onion article isn't too far from the truth. What does John Kerry stand for??? Why should anyone vote for him? Just because He's Not George Bushâ„¢? That is obviously enough for some people (like oyster up there), but it is just not enough for me. I base my vote on a candidate's record and where they stand.

Kerry's record is, to me, extremely unimpressive. For example, he says that he is tough on intelligence. Why then, did he miss 38 of 49 public hearings during the eight years he served on the intelligence panel??? He's been in the Senate for nearly 20 years. Why is he spending so much effort in this campaign parading around his Vietnam service? I want to know what he would do as president, and his two decades as a senator would make a good indication of that.

10:10 AM, August 19, 2004  
Blogger ninjanun said...

George Bush's RECORD! Oh my gosh. That's exactly why I'm NOT voting for him. Have you looked at what he has (and hasn't done)? How he's cut veteran's benefits while sending them to war? How he started the No Child Left Behind program and then CUT FUNDING for it? How he's switched his reason for going to Iraq from WMD's to Liberating the Iraqui people (since he wouldn't let the inspectors finish their job before he attacked). How he asked the UN countries for support, and then ridiculed those who didn't and turned them into our enemies (if you're not with us, you're against us...)? How his Patriot Act has limited our freedoms here at home (do you want the government to know what books you check out at the library?) and yes, HAS created a whopper of a government structure? How he's been on vacation more than any other president during his term? How he claims to be a Christian, yet tells Muslims that we worship the same God?

10:00 AM, August 20, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

I'll take these one at a time.

"How he's cut veteran's benefits while sending them to war?"

Nevermind the fact that veterans are the people who have served in the past, not those who are serving in the present... This is still plain wrong. Funding for veterans is up 27%."How he started the No Child Left Behind program and then CUT FUNDING for it?"

Wrong again. The budget for the Department of Education has grown 58% under Bush."How he's switched his reason for going to Iraq from WMD's to Liberating the Iraqui people (since he wouldn't let the inspectors finish their job before he attacked)"

First off, he never "switched" is reasons. Before we went to war, he laid out at least three distinct reasons for going to war with Iraq.
1 - Saddam Hussein had not, in 12 years complied with the surrender agreement and cooperated with the UN to prove that he had destroyed his WMDs. Our intelligence, and the intelligence of many other nations showed that he still had WMDs.
2 - Saddam Hussein is a murderer and a danger to his own people, and should be overthrown.
3 - Saddam Hussein has ties to terrorists. Not to the attacks of 9/11/01, but to terrorists in general, who hate America.
Even John Kerry has said that, knowing what he knows today, he would have still gone to war! Even if liberating the Iraqi people were the only reason, wouldn't that have been enough? Read a first hand perspective if you don't think so.

"How he asked the UN countries for support, and then ridiculed those who didn't and turned them into our enemies (if you're not with us, you're against us...)?"

That's an exaggeration, and I think you know it. He didn't "turn them into our enemies." They just weren't being very good friends. And, it's no wonder, considering the giant kickbacks some of them were getting from the Oil for Food program."How his Patriot Act has limited our freedoms here at home (do you want the government to know what books you check out at the library?)"

How is it "his" PATRIOT Act, when it passed 98 to 1 in the Senate and 357 to 66 in the House? And personally, I don't give a rip if the government knows what books I check out of the library. Isn't it their library, after all? What, specifically are my Constitutional rights that are violated by the PATRIOT Act? If there are clear-cut un-Constitutional portions of the act, why hasn't the ACLU brought this to court?

"and yes, HAS created a whopper of a government structure?"

I already addressed that above.

"How he's been on vacation more than any other president during his term?"

He may be taking a bit more time off than I would like, but it sounds like you're getting your figure from Michael "fast-and-loose-with-the-truth" Moore. I invite you to read this.

"How he claims to be a Christian, yet tells Muslims that we worship the same God?"

Yes, I disagree with him on that. Like I said, I don't agree with him on everything. However, that doesn't really have anything to do with his record as the leader of our country.

I still contend that he is the best choice from a selection of imperfect candidates. How about this challenge: Each of us will chose a book that supports our political view, and we each will read the other person's book (as well as our own, if we haven't already) before the election in November? I'll even read a Michael Moore book, if you will read one I choose.

10:59 AM, August 20, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

It really bugs me that my line breaks don't display properly in my comments, even when they show up correctly in the "Preview." It makes my comments a lot harder to read. I apologize for that.

11:00 AM, August 20, 2004  
Blogger ninjanun said...

Sorry I've been too busy with real life to post in cyberspace. However, I DO want to address your "it's their library" comment.
NO IT'S NOT. The United States Government was created by the people, FOR the people. THEY are accountable to US, NOT the other way around. Government officials are called PUBLIC SERVANTS for a reason. We elect them to represent us at home and abroad, and it is their responsibility to protect our FREEDOMS, not invade our privacy.
As for your seeming unconcern for the unconstitutional Patriot Act: Freedom and Security are inversely proportional to each other. The government can lock you away in a bomb-proof closet, but it won't be a life worth living. Samuel Adams didn't say, "give me liberty, or give me security...I'll take either one." He said, "Give me liberty, or give me death!"

9:58 AM, August 25, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

No comments on all of my other fact-based rebuttals?

Perhaps I chose the wrong words for my library remarks. My feelings on the matter are that the library is a public place. I have no reasonable expectation of privacy while in any public place, including the public library. It's a public place, and my actions there are a matter of public record. I don't care if the government is looking at what I'm checking out, I don't care if your great aunt Peggy-Sue is looking at what I check out. The library issue is a non-issue to me. I believe in protecting my rights just as much as you do yours. But I have yet to see just how my rights are in danger as a result of the PATRIOT Act. If the PATRIOT Act is violating my Constitutional rights in some way, please tell me specifically how it is, giving references. I hear people rail against the PATRIOT Act all the time, but I have yet to have someone provide a simple example of how my Constitutional rights are being violated.

Regardless of what I think about the PATRIOT Act, if you're that strongly against it, then in that regard, you should be equally against George Bush and John Kerry. John Kerry helped pass that PATRIOT Act, and has no regrets. I have even heard some recent radio spots run by John Kerry promoting his part in getting a "crucial part of the PATRIOT Act" passed. He's proud of his support of the PATRIOT Act. So, why do you support him? Or, perhaps I am jumping to a false conclusion. Are you a Nader nun?

Lastly, you didn't respond to my challenge regarding political books. I'm game if you are. I think everyone should make an informed decision, and I'm sure we could both benefit from more knowledge.

10:31 AM, August 25, 2004  
Blogger ninjanun said...

sorry, I wanted to correct my post. I believe it was Patrick Henry who said, "Give me liberty, or give me death."

I'd vote for McCain if he was running. But Bush kinda ruined that back in 2000.

So what book would you like me to read?

4:01 PM, August 25, 2004  
Blogger Skor Grimm said...

So, are you saying you accept my challenge?

I bet you think I'm going to ask you to read Unfit for Command. Well, I'm not. I'm no fan of beating a dead horse, plus I think it's more constructive to read about the positive things that George Bush has done than the negative things that John Kerry has done.

Therefore, I think you should read Misunderestimated: The President Battles Terrorism, John Kerry, and the Bush Haters, by Bill Sammon. Not that there isn't any John Kerry bashing in this book, but it is primarily a great book about our president.

I have seen this book at Costco, and you may still be able to get it there. So, what book should I fetch and read for myself?

5:54 PM, August 25, 2004  

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